16 Comment (s)

1. Halde is a not only expensive and useless institution but liberticide. It is enough to refer to the study ordered by this institution which condemns stereotype in the fables of The Fountain or the poems of Ronsard: Darling let's go to see if rose would give a negative picture of old age! Soon, they will be followed to like Ronsard!

   Let us abolish this institution the acronym of which could be Stop the Freedom Of Expression !

   As part of the debate of PLF 2005, Halde was even before its birth in the middle of deep debates on the necessity of its creation. Persuaded that this organism would be a doubloon of other existent structures as that of the advisory national Committee of human rights (CNCDH) and many other observatories, the deputies had then voted for the abolition of the credits of Halde.

   The Government had had to use the article 44 of Constitution with blocked vote so that one votes for these credits. However, in the course of parliamentary debates, Nelly Olin, then minister delegated to the Struggle against precariousness and against exclusion, had declared that 8,7 million euro of credits envisaged for Halde were too high and had supported the parliamentarians on the vote of abolition of credits.

   Already, the public report of the National audit Офис reported doubloons between Halde and Acse (national Agency for social cohesion and equality of chances) but also other many associations of human rights, since this agency also has as mission prevention and struggle against discriminations: This multiplicity of public dealers, added to the very active network of many associations, presents for a long time in the sector, does not favour the legibility of group ( ) and reinforces the risk of doubloon or even of ineffectiveness. As for him, the ministry of Immigration, of Integration, of national Identity and of Codevelopment admits that the institutional landscape constituted these last years with central administrations, state-owned companies and Halde, is complex and not very legible .

   Three years after the installation, in 2008, Halde, run by the ancient boss of Renault, the inspector of finances Louis Schweitzer, has a more than 11 million euro budget. Some people, who know well the functioning of Halde, already speak about "waste". His projected budget in functioning and personnel is in 30 % increase in one year. In short, Halde is an enlarging structure which, beyond a comfortable budget, tries to make beam its activity.

   Where from this idea of trapping firms by a testing of discrimination in appointment with wrong CV. And it following a procedure that some people, whom The Duck put in chains, report as few transparent.

   Where to make speak about her by recommending absurd knack and.ANTICONSTITUTIONNEL! Who is going to devote himself to explain to Halde that only the "citizens" are authorised to exercise public expenses According to the STATEMENT OF 1789 which is not SUBJECT TO REVISION (and fortunately!!!!)?

   Token If I remember well two years ago, CANDIDATE UMP for presidential elections (become since President) assured us will: To PUT AN END TO DOUBLOONS It is for when? On 2013? On 2077?

   And moreover It seems to me that some Fillon and taken some Cop Avaient the commitment to abolish purely and simply ALL COMMITTEES x or there Before undertaking a serious examination of the activity, re-registering them, after passage of examination . Where are they?

   Besides Before wanting to interfere in things who does not concern her Halde would well make to begin by making The work.

   His victims speak:
   

   IN SHORT:
   THE Halde IS OF USE FOR NOTHING
   SHE MAKES DOUBLOON
   SHE HAS A PRESIDENT WHO KNOCKS EACH OTHER ABOUT COMPLETELY OF DISCRIMINATION so as to have entrust to somebody the writing of a book on subject (I name) of more concerned, and better informed ! (sic!)
   SHE HELPS NOBODY
   SHE COSTS EXPENSIVE

   There not is t (let us search well!) 300 deputies capable of saying "not "? No credit? Where " yes " she is abolished?

   Go! If mister president of the HALDE has so many "political" friends I prefer that he is sent in Brussels. Go! But that our FRANCE is freed from it!!!!

   Would be possible put on, possibly, a petition to abolish Halde. I would get it (at home and on the net)

   Is possible be will be possible t one, so, stop with this French imb cilit Exception, one more time But very bad!

   seb 16 avr on 2009

2. Bravo seb! that of common sense!
   it is needed on the field to dissolve this anti-French institution utility and purpose of which are unintelligible. His members by such proposals become unworthy of their fatherland if this word means some more thing for them!
   First because the nation is another ideal for many proud citizens of their country and of their culture in disagreement with this type of proposal, and because you should not give in to the siren songs of the opening and of the progressisme in very go.
   And then, because discriminations exist everywhere since each of us chooses his friends according to various very specific criteria (some do not support beaufs, others would like to hear about Scientologists), since many persons avoid the snobs or those who belch at table (sign of politeness in some lands), since some boxes refuse the entrance young people in basketball (even if it is about a private place),
   as soon as rules and arbitrary frame regarding this or that subject are set up, there is willy-nilly the exclusion from a category of persons: the smokers are excluded from places public, the even medically followed paedophiles are excluded from educational middle, the sado-masochists or scatophiles are excluded from programmes at the hours of big listenings.. and so much the better!!
   lively some discriminations!
   I remind of definition to categorise: differentiate elements with the aim of the application of a treatment specific for every so constituted subset.
   so among subsets as the countries of the world are, geographical position and the history of Turkey prevents it from including Europe and it is normal! but it is not nice for Turkish, it is discriminating then quickly let us create an international equivalent of Halde!..
   so by pushing until the end the absurdity of the existence of such organism it would be possible to regulate injustice to see kangaroos only in Australia, it is discriminating for the European who love these animals!!!
   but except any joke, the first champion any category in discrimination is nature since she prevents unfortunately the obese from playing sports of high level, sterile human beings to know procreation, most worse adapted to survive in hostile middle..
   let us stop therefore all this farce and if discrimination there is due to the existence of a norm in this country while minorities submit to it or while they pack their suitcases!
   quickly a petition to open eyes to the decision-makers of this country!!!

   NietzscheMarx 17 avr on 2009 Answer

3. THE Halde A POLICE SECT AND DELATOIRE IN THE SERVICE OF TOTALITARIANISM
   The morality of history it is to see at the head of this doubtful and inquisitive organ, one devoted to the service of the state ancient CEO of Renault, having lavishly paid surtaout quant Renault before privatised was financed by the taxpayers.
   This organ has as mission of fliquer France and citizens in the service of the promotion of the foreign working force, notably that coming from these countries afrique of the north where the leaders are true dictators diverting finances of their countries to put them in heat in tax havens instead of taking care of their people and investing it in jobs. In reality these countries in the unemployment rate placed side by side 40 % to an average wage of 100 in 200 / month prefer sending us their unemployed persons and the family tribe in europe to get rid of it and to make support catch to the workers loads the social cost and its consequences (deficit s cu, allocs etc social accommodation and morals barbaric, often hidden, as that of attack in the bus of the PARIS PUBLIC TRANSPORT SYSTEM of December 7th, 2008, revealed accidentally 4 months later and still, some writing as Europe 1, judging this information, how do they say? ah yes: DOUBLE COMPETITIVE
   Aujourd hui, the ancient CEO from Renault, friqu good, sheltered from the need, and unquestionably not living or not blending with this social mixing of sexes (because advice is others, not for THEM, of course!) and which is made l burning defender of positive said discrimination what means discrimination against the French follows undoubtedly the policy of the fall of the labour costs such as Georges Marchais had already reported at his time and with purposes others (!). In reality the CEO from Renault with his 11 millions d becomes strong, as yesterday, to play the patronesses ladies to make forget his privileges!! the workers, the workers, families and their children thrown to the street, taken out a subscription to the NATIONAL EMPLOYMENT AGENCY, will appreciate at the time of elections this foreign preference chosen against the future by their own children!
   This police dispensary where people to denunciation are pushed reminds of Stalinist practices and nazillardes yesterday. It is no more and no less this collaboration, however so disparaged, but useful when they can use it is this step?
   Ah policies, which bands of hypocritical
   PEUPLR will open eyes t-il soon to realise that he is skinned and that he is stolen as the bankers and the booklet A

   max 17 avr on 2009 Answer

4. the President of the Republic vouches for the integrity of the nation.
   It seems that Halde is infiltrated by persons in intelligence with foreign powers, which act concealed to carry attacks repeated to the interests of our nation. It is easy to understand that some, about is their level of studies and their social class (cf Mr. Madoff or some State leaders) are ready to make all treasons and most destructive acts in exchange for money which they hide in tax havens.

   France, as all people, produces its pervert's lot and of traitres: the war of 39-45 us has still shown him; Papon, Touvier and Bousquet were very French and of French blood! There is so today that there was then: human nature did not change since.
   It is obvious that a foreigner encrusted in policy or in administration in France, where he has access to the public funds of the French people, rest in the service of his country of origin, whose lifelong citizen there remains, and towards that he has obligations due to his nationality, to his blood and his origins. Every person of foreign origin must be excluded from the administration and from the political parties in France, considering her double, sometimes triple and quadruple nationality.. The Dutch services of police lately transferred a maroco-Dutch civil servant, born in hollande, who delivered in his country of origin, Morocco, confidential information of the Dutch police. Every foreigner has nothing to make in the French civil service and it is necessary to ask questions on the persons who seep through in the political parties and on the lists of elected representatives in France and one accesses to public expenditures and to French public funds, while they are in emotional and physical relation, but also legal with their country of origin, in whom domiciles all their family, their ancestors and where will be buried her. These persons are only traitres, appointing attacks to the interests of our nation. There is no French of French blood in the political parties of other European countries, or in any country of the world. There is no European in the elected representatives and political parties in France; why to your opinion? What makes a foreigner, would it be born in France, in a political party and in the French civil service? The countries of the Arab league are aimed at pervading and at colonizing Europe, treasures and the earth of which they want to appropriate, what Boumedienne besides declared in a speech in front of the UNO in 1974; they began making it and succeeding in it, even though the Arab became rich thanks to the well of oil constructed and paid by the European and the Americans, the oil having been invented in 1854 by an American of British origin. Attribution to the immigrants and foreigners of all our social accommodation show that the public agents made racist acts and discrimination towards the persons of French blood, to the advantage of foreigners and of immigrants; indeed, how explain that 95 % social accommodation is allocates to the immigrants and coming from immigrants of colour, not having a drop of French blood, while 90 % populations am white europe nne and of French blood? The French autochthonous people are of European white race and door of French surnames. French is an European, but is neither an Africain, nor Arabic, nor an Asian, in the same way as an Africain is not and will never be an European. How to explain that without papers could put their child in a French school, paid by taxes, therefore job of the French? It shows that public agents infringe laws, and do not apply them for the foreigners while they apply them for the French of blood. L attribution aux immigr s et trangers de tous nos logements sociaux d montrent que les agents publics ont commis des actes racistes et de discrimination envers les personnes de sang fran ais, au profit d trangers et d immigr s ; En effet, comment expliquer que 95% des logements sociaux soit attribu aux immigr s et issus d immigr s de couleur , n ayant pas une goutte de sang fran ais, alors que 90 % de la population est blanche europe nne et de sang fran ais ? Le peuple autochtone fran ais est de race blanche europ enne et porte des noms de famille fran ais. Un fran ais est un europ en, mais n est ni un africain, ni un arabe, ni un asiatique, de la m me mani re qu un africain n est pas et ne sera jamais un europ en. Comment expliquer que des sans papiers puisse mettre leur enfant dans une cole fran aise, pay e par les imp ts, donc le travail des fran ais ? Cela d montre que des agents publics transgressent les lois, et ne les applique pas pour les trangers alors qu ils les appliquent pour les fran ais de sang.
   Indeed, either they accept wrong papers and " wrong documents " to register children, and dns this case they become guilty and collusive of forgeries and uses of forged documents , or they do not demand the compulsory documents on behalf of these foreigners, and they become then culprit of an act racism, of an act of discrimination, and an act of active corruption heavily suppressed by the criminal.

   Muriel 17 avr on 2009 Answer

5. Bravo seb! that of common sense!
   it is needed on the field to dissolve this anti-French institution utility and purpose of which are unintelligible. His members by such proposals become unworthy of their fatherland if this word means some more thing for them!
   First because the nation is another ideal for many proud citizens of their country and of their culture in disagreement with this type of proposal, and because you should not give in to the siren songs of the opening and of the progressisme in very go.
   And then, because discriminations exist everywhere since each of us chooses his friends according to various very specific criteria (some do not support beaufs, others would like to hear about Scientologists), since many persons avoid the snobs or those who belch at table (sign of politeness in some lands), since some boxes refuse the entrance young people in basketball (even if it is about a private place),
   as soon as rules and arbitrary frame regarding this or that subject are set up, there is willy-nilly the exclusion from a category of persons: the smokers are excluded from places public, the even medically followed paedophiles are excluded from educational middle, the sado-masochists or scatophiles are excluded from programmes at the hours of big listenings.. and so much the better!!

   I remind of definition to categorise: differentiate elements with the aim of the application of a treatment specific for every so constituted subset.
   so among subsets as the countries of the world are, geographical position and the history of Turkey prevents it from including Europe it is not nice, quickly let us create an international equivalent of Halde!.. so by pushing until the absurdity of the existence of such organism it would be possible to regulate injustice to see kangaroos only in Australia, it is discriminating for the European who love these animals!!!
   but except any joke, the first champion any category in discrimination is nature since she prevents unfortunately the obese from playing sports of high level, sterile human beings to know procreation, most worse adapted to survive in hostile middle..
   let us stop therefore all this farce and if discrimination there is due to the existence of a norm in this country while minorities submit to it or while they pack their suitcases!

   MarxNietzsche 17 avr on 2009 Answer

6. As I see France is necessary submit to anti-authority who ask only for a thing to give France whoever and especially jobs to persons knowing nothing of our country and even who could seep through in different services jeopardising our country perhaps or at least in danger on any point of view, I am personally against several nationalit es or they have French or foreign. Well on in France it is possible to have different religions ways to live but it is necessary to respect this country, and in all what touches public work it is really necessary to be French so that some other proffessions well specifies. This type of institution should therefore be dissolute or sent in another country.

   legley 17 avr on 2009 Answer

7. It is a pleasure of seeing that you read the very good site Causeur.fr.
   Very good programme Let us tell it like it is on France Information!

   Hohenfels 17 avr on 2009 Answer

8. The reading of the report Place of stereotypes and of discriminations in the school textbooks calls immediately three comments:

   1) The usage of English term "interview" being a discrimination made contrary to French term "foreseen", I offer to follow, in front of Belgian justice, president of Halde for linguistic discrimination.

   2) The appearance of the women in all chapters of the books of history being important, I offer to name madam Ann Pingeot in the plan of the Big Louvre.

   3) That's true, there are homosexuals who are "invisible" in the school textbooks: Ersnt R hm, Edmund Heines, Abel Bonnard

   Thibault Loosveld 17 avr on 2009 Answer

9. What can make the basic citizen to ask the abolition of this liberticide institution?

   furgole 19 avr on 2009 Answer

10. @ MarxNietzsche: leave us righteous man the time to soften your comment

    @ furgole: we are studying it with some of my colleagues.

    Christian Vanneste 19 avr on 2009 Answer

11. Mr Vanneste, please excuse my impatience illustrated by my repeated questionings but the subject which you announced us outrages me so much that I did not take into account any more time and job that your responsibilities impose you on you and your team.
    thank you for your answer and do not hesitate to abolish my two last comments, the one making doubloon and the very last being you to address (and therefore without interest for others!).
    and deeply that you succeed in setting this petition up with the help of your colleagues.
    warmly.

    MarxNietzsche 19 avr on 2009 Answer

12. To mister Vanneste:

    THAT ARE POSSIBLE BE MADE:

    1) Solution of "courage" (and God knows that is needed, obviously, in policy):

    Invite 21 colleagues UMP, NC, and 1 PS (mister Migaud) at midnight 34 in the Semicircular auditorium, and send for a president de l' Assembl e (Accoyer by ex)

    Question of the President: please abolish you Halde? Or other one please you whom Halde freely finances Understand via contribution? (As her will never have them MIRACLE!!!)

    Vote: 22 yes, 1 not. (Who devotes himself for " - "?)

    THE Halde IS ABOLISHED! (Wait! It is possible to vote for laws just in time an hour And in 16! And not to find normal (well?) what a knack harmful to the Society in 23 at Midnight thirty - four is abolished?

    2) Legal solution:

    Halde explain to the Constitutional Council that IS HARMFUL TO THE SOCIETY .

    Consequently Anticonstitutionnellle! And here is! It is regulated!

    3) "Political" solution:

    Transfer the president de la HALDE. Then, redefine the missions of Halde by calling in jurist, of constitutional law, Mrs Le Pourhiet. (Who she, really has good ideas to struggle efficiently (not as Stop the Freedom Of Expression! or "commissioner" is him saying (since when exists this function legally, in France?) in diversity!) against discriminations.

    4) "Politicking" solution:

    Go to see mister Fillon and to ask him: token, what is this hushing up wait to abolish Halde? Well yes, wait, mister Fillon does not give up making us the blow of the me I am the man who avoids gab gies and who holds the gripped cord of the grant . Not as long as obviously!!
    It is the leader of the "majority" Or what?

    Go to see mister Cop Et explaining him that according to Halde There isn't enough "woman", "homosexual", "disabled person" As president of group UMP, as majority party must give the ex is this step?

    When is what he devotes himself? In view of the fact that he is none of three Strangely, I have a feeling that he already agrees to abolish Halde!!!

    5) Solution "manipulation"

    To persuade a man Is going to see his wife . Given that Hemicycle is composed of men in most, in UMP at least Why to have no delightful idea of sending a rose or other one to each of the "companions" (or companions) of your colleagues (OK, the "companions" pr fereront can be a tie Bah! On second thoughts Finally, send qu to the ladies Because otherwise you could be suspected by the deputy of credit of views on his "friend" (what will not help you to persuade him to be in order) or " the friend " you find more to its taste that the current deputy with whom he is. And there, it is at home that go badly to go)

    As there more you are (a dixit my wife, rather with good taste in general And with my sister similarly) nice man (not need to sacrifice you for reason, pretty smile should be enough) I do not doubt that you have unanimous support And as their companions can surely to nothing refuse them (who said that the men were chief in France?), why will not help you t he in the struggle against Halde?

    Token I count on you!

    Yours, I already know an interested deputy: Mister Warsmann.

    I am regularly surprised in my parliamentary work, of superfluous expenses of some organisms or public authorities. This flippancy, in the ages of crisis while so many families do not succeed in fastening their budget is unacceptable. The State must be the first to give example, to limit its lifestyle. I hope that this step united will mark the beginning of a collective realisation, to know that every " public euro spent is it effectively (The deputy Warsmann)

    It is difficult to see how, after this diatribe, he could say to you "not "!

    seb 19 avr on 2009 Answer

13. I think that it is not well possible to "serve France, if they did not decide to become Frenchmen, and when I tell I become Frenchman it does not mean to pass simply in prefecture to take its card.

    For future Frenchman full It is necessary to take back the French model of assimilation.

    By avoiding yesterday errors, well on, But without going to the point of putting difference forward, before Fatherland! Who could not come down - how he was shamefully made understand to the inhabitants of Mayotte! (In fact, in when referendum To Frenchmen? The slightest of things would be at least to ask us for our opinion! They want that France has new children?) - in a drawer case!

    I think that it is not possible to "become French if they do not make the effort to like the country. That he is criticised, it is normal. That there has hate as him, it is distasteful. That it is reduced to a drawer case even more!

    Contrary to what asserts mister Barrot Je am ready to die for France, for ideas carried by her, and because it is my country, my home, my shelter And because I tried unsuccessfully met a lot of people, and visited of nice countries, my Fatherland will be always, in right and in the bottom of my heart, France.

    What a superb name besides! France! What a shame that there is the odious record of taxes and all types of taxes When France conjugates its name with Freedom, Frankness, and Courage!

    What boldness besides on behalf of our kings, then "revolutionaries" who were nevertheless sacred macho men!! (the fate of some queens of our nice country is enough to remember Olympe de Gouges or!) to have consider France to be a woman, what it is irrefutably!

    I am proud of France, and I would always be proud of it Even if, unfortunately, we have a President who does not like it Or not enough to understand that he must turn his language seven times in his mouth before speaking, and that he must consider that every word which he pronounces has of course consequences to the picture of our France!!!!

    Friends, who live in USA, have said to me recently, in this respect, that Nicolas Sarkozy spends his time to deride of France And that many Americans are unhappy there, because they too, like our country!!!! And find unworthy of France that it has no President likely to appreciate its charms, and its trumps, however flamboyant!

    Of all our History, no "foreigner" served France At least before having become, entirely, Frenchman.

    By ex, Mazarin. This man was a politician as it is not much made. He did not grumble in expense, and he was very proud of him even. But the same man, abandoned the idea, FOR FRANCE, of giving his niece to Louis XIV, while in good politician, it is possible to think that he of course measured all influence, and all attraction, which such alliance could bring him.

    Then yes, undoubtedly charms of Ann d' Autriche are them not for anything there. Is possible be that this lover of France, who converted a Spanish to the hot blood, to the love of France (to the point where Ann did not blink when Mazarin offered the chase of war with Spain) In t he found in the feelings that he carried to her queen (literally as in the representing) reasons in more to support efficiently the reason of France. Nonetheless Mazarin often acted as "Frenchmen" much more than those born well " who were ready to sell the country to get three ducats!

    I think that it is not possible to become entirely Frenchmen, and therefore to serve France with depth and sense of honour, if they do not want to construct something with her.

    Ann d' Autriche she not became "French" in aillant a son, and therefore something that is going to link up its destiny in France Rather than by a forced marriage, which could only enjoin it to betray?

    I think that it is very important that something joins Frenchman or "foreigner" in process of gallicization, in the country.

    In my sense, all deputies should be "joined as with the country. Unfortunately, this is not the case.

    It would be possible to think of it, seen the cumul of mandates But in reality, that connait an elected representative of France? Even not his Fundamental Law!

    I think that it would be good that is created a school of training for the elected representatives.

    I mean thereabouts that generally, when an elected representative arrives at the Assembly, at the Senate, at the City council, at the Presidency, he is very happy, very happy.

    And then He acquaints himself with reality. And as he is not willy-nilly capable of accepting it, he gets lost.

    Why would put us not in place a school for elected representatives which would have as design:
    d teach to the elected representatives what is France in figures: geography, institutions, History, economy.
    d learn to the elected representatives to work: how made one an amendment? To whom contact t they to make a bill? Who decides on the programme of the week? How a contract is negotiated t? How is necessary it to speak to me? How made one a speech to the UNO? If we are to believe mister Wauquiez, so much questions which trot in the head of every new elected representative But that get no answer of "skilled" persons.
    d teach to the elected representatives force and weaknesses of the country, its opportunities and its pressures
    d teach France to the elected representatives in connaitre: via an internship at an artisan of the village (and not to Areva! Who roughly explains to the elected representatives how to throw a copy! Where to make the coffee! Very useful!)
    - to make connaitre to the citizens the elected representatives: why not to make, in every new "legislature" a "Tour de France " just to discover France?

    The period of "training could last 6 months, and the "professors" would stay in the listening of the elected representatives during all mandate (without taking the place of them to make their work, it goes without saying) to answer notably not so basic questions as it: if I make an order on the noise of the cockerel, is it lawful? Then I to come with my meal in the Semicircular auditorium? Have me straight to wear a flashy jacket to the Senate? How many helpers then I to have? Is what my wife can work with me? How made one a bill? Have me straight to make the peck to the Minister? Ect.

    They often seem to forget him, but to "govern it is necessary to have a made well head ! And how is well possible one fulfil his mission yes:
    - they cannot eat correctly While ten thousand cameras float on your head?
    - they cannot write a law which holds the road while they were elected for ?
    - they are not known how works the Institution?

    seb 19 avr on 2009 Answer

14. Past it is AFFECTED NOT TO MY BUDDY

    The future it is "AFFECTED" MY BUDDY

    The "saint" of course

    F.F.T. 20 avr on 2009 Answer

15. That this new Stasi is abolished as quickly as possible.

    Alex 30 avr on 2009 Answer

16. This organism has totalitarian and extra judicial powers which makes culprits of us for simple reflexion made in a dialogue. It is a hindrance in economic development because in the name of nondiscrimination, the most inadequate in a post will be able to aspire to it. I think of this poor pork butcher of Sum or of Oise which laid off a Muslim employee who pretended not to touch the pig. He was heavily condemned for excessive dismissal. Besides they see badly what makes this president a superboss who earns in month what I earn in a life and who comes to give in commiseration. This police of thought is unacceptable. The only discrimination which she tolerates is the one who is made regarding native Frenchmen or Catholics. I takes you as a model. Every handicapped child can be sent to school with the help of the auxilliaires of life. All except those who are sent to school in one establishment except contract. Complaints were formulated in Halde. Who answered that law was uncertain. And that finally this type of discrimination did not interest it. Willy-nilly: they are children sent to school in Catholic or independent schools of the totalitarian power of the politically correct. Halde does not want to know them. Laquelle a r pondu que la loi tait incertaine. Et que finalement ce genre de discrimination ne l int ressait pas. Forc ment : ce sont des enfants scolaris s dans des coles catholiques ou ind pendantes du pouvoir totalitaire du politiquement correct. La Halde ne veut pas les conna tre.

    Dickes Jean-Pierre 30 avr on 2009 Answer

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