By Christian Vanneste 17 seven 2009 in my political ideas
I participate currently in the debate on penitentiary law. And law and debate are with tremendous learning experience on current drift. It is first obvious that law is in complete contradiction, by the philosophy which inspires it, with the policy of security initiated by the current majority since the 2002.
The fixed idea as for the rights of the prisoners, the affirmation continuously repeated of their full and whole citizenship, except for imprisonment, drives to 2 unfortunate consequences.
The first one consists in forgetting the victims completely, and in making convicted prisoners the victims of a very powerful administration stigmatization of which is always supported by the recall of a rate of particularly high suicide.
The second results from the first one. The displacement of right towards the left allows this one to triumph id ologiquement up to absurd. I heard a socialist deputy to say that he more trusted in the prisoners than in the prison service. Again and again, deputies of opposition and even some of the majority asked to the advantage of the prisoners of rights that free persons, and therefore victims of the prisoners, do not have willy-nilly: the training, the training of French, the polling station at home (it even does not exist in retirement homes!), the free - choice of activity to the point of being possible refuse it completely etc It was time to react. I therefore offered and made adopt an amendment stipulating that the prisoners also had duties.
In fact, there is in this bill a big hypocrisy. The right of the convicted prisoners is especially recalled to make accept surreptitiously the acceleration of the flux of the prisoners as solution in terrible prison overpopulation. So from now on, less and less people will go to prison, and go out of it more and more quickly, it is because the repressive laws for which we voted for reducing a delinquency and a crime which had exceeded the bar of 4 million facts in year 2000, procreate a rate of imprisonment which the property programmes and the budgets of the Ministry of Justice cannot follow any more. If I understand problem perfectly, I think that the solution which consists in not imprisoning convicted prisoners in two years, or liberate them too quickly, is not good solution. The biggest part of the convicted prisoners is it fortunately in weak lower troubles in 6 months. It is there that it is necessary to act! Notably by developing jobs of general interest. It asks for means, for will, for participation of regions with a measure of autonomy. It is more more more difficult, more audacious, more efficient than the phantasm of the electronic gadgets.
In hypocritical, hypocritical and half, governmental ducplicity is nothing to that of the left of the semicircular auditorium. The angelic vision of the convicted prisoners, the permanent suspicion on the prison service, the neglect of the victims accompany a grotesque criticism of the prison and cross of course under silence the rise of delinquency and stopping of the penitentiary programmes under the governments of left. Tartuffe did not die!
Mister Vanneste, some comments:
1) The prison is supposed to make think the guilty individuals of offences or / and of crimes. Model not them so that they come out again three times WORSE of prison, so that they entered it!!!!!
Law is supposed to bring a "punishment" to those who oversteps it, otherwise the viol. The hardest punishment, is called the deprivation of freedom, in other words, the prison.
The State is supposed to act in the name of the Society, and for its good Not in concealed avenger by victims, which just abandons their "revenge" to get "justice". The "condemnation" of the individual which harms in Societ , it is the Justice of the victim.
2) The individual is punished by this punishment which imposes on him law. It is necessary under no circumstances to top up to the individual of other punishments. And the duty of the State, which acts in the name of the Society, it is of not not, just, to act, as the individual.
Even deprived of freedom, and of some some of its civil rights, a "prisoner" must be treated as a human being, with respect, courtesy, since his acts have or are paid - via the prison - to the Society.
The State must therefore make respect in all French prisons, and on all territory, STATEMENT OF 1789. Which contains "rights" but also "duties".
3) I am you on TIG. The Swedish ex (still they!) the credit to your proposal is interesting in this respect, and adds.
A request nevertheless Since you determine a point that it is strange that no parliamentarian endowed with common sense understands: the made Parliament by laws And afterwards asks questions on the implementation of laws! That's true for knack DNA, HADOPI, and so many others!!!!
Would be possible ask that before ANY LAW PENITENTAIRE, or relating to Justice, or Security, two:
the PARLIAMENT accomplishes a prior ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ASSESSMENT
the PARLIAMENT defined with priorities, and DETERMINED A BUDGET (without resorting in the loan) to finance aforementioned priorities.
the PARLIAMENT does not content itself with reading in quickly goes her laws IT GOES OF THE POINT HAS IN THE POINT B!!!!
ex: I want to reinforce prison terms .
Questions to put me down:
Question 1: why have this objective me?
where it was made walk
j read a good expert of the ground who assures it me
j tested the thing at local level, work
Bad answer: the President said and I always make what says the President, because I am very stupid, and I do not want to think one second.
Bad answer: the citizens are afraid, there are elections shortly. I am an opportunist. I knock each other about completely of France
Question 2: how much go to cost?
a) if I leave guys longer in prison, " turn over " is going to be slower. I need prisons therefore. How much? How many places? For what prisoner? And divided how on the territory?
b) To take care of aforementioned prisons, I am going to need the personnel. How much? Who? How I recruit them?
c) A prisoner, eats, drinks, and sleeps. It is therefore going to be necessary to pay meals, to cross contracts with AVENANCE or SODEXO. But also buy covers, pillows, prisoner's " keepings , etc..
d) A prisoner comes to think about his acts. There has therefore to have a room where the prisoner could "contemplate" who room can be its cell, nor the refectory.
e) A prisoner also comes to "rebound to avoid stupidity at the exit. It is therefore necessary to envisage a course of "reintegration". Where from courts, trainings, assistants for job interviews, etc. As they are prisoners, it is therefore necessary to determine who is suceptible to acceuilir aforementioned prisoners: list undertaken + lists regions with a measure of autonomy. All that has a cost. How much?
f) A prisoner, has a family. And each knows that the human beings have some needs. There is those vital, those of "comfort", but also needs, let us say more Intimate. It is therefore necessary to preserve " the home life " of the prisoner. Put him in a prison close to the family, if possible. It asks for an organisation. Therefore computer tools. Therefore some money, the personnel, buildings.
Question 3: what is interest for the Society?
On plan cost / plan is what that is her better of ideas, than to make laws always more repressive? Is what other systems would not be better? Is what the Society has it as its money, or all efforts which she dedicates or is ready to dedicate, are no?
In short, waste t one the public funds, or manages it t one well? An investment is it which is worth the cost, or a simple opportunistic step, or ideological, which leads nowhere?
Question 4: when see each other again they?
For a big plan, touching a regalian power, it is necessary to go about things stage-by-stage. It is therefore necessary to know:
a) Who is responsible for plan? Who follows him? The Minister? The lys e Palace? Matignon? The defender des Droits de l' homme?
b) When aforementioned representative will be audited? And by whom? Is what it will be public or in an intimate circle?
c) When will be possible t it to have a first approach of the implementation of the programme?
d) When will be possible t it, first-hand, to realise on place of brought changes?
It isn't the sea to be yes drunk?
seb 17 seven 2009
Also do not forget that about 30 % prisoners is in preventive therefore supposed innocent until proved otherwise..
Would nice to become a fair sub-citizen on the basis of sou ons Missi the deputy have forgotten the fine words on outreau?
Without complete reform of the judicial system, any proposal raises the pose of dressing on a cracked wall.
Go, entrust a mission there over to lefebvre and copp : he parried that the laugh is good for health.
Louis Cypher 18 seven 2009 Answer
Is possible be would be possible have talks to you, or even meet, Maitre Eolas. I name it in one of the recent articles:
For those whom it would have avoided, justice goes badly. Not because of corporatism, of conservatism and of irresponsibility of his judges (I know, I have already made decoy lighter as to troll, but I go out of agitated week), but through lack of means.
the judges, when they condemn, often take into account the medium equipments which jurisdiction has. What's the point to pronounce TIG if they know that no association can welcome the convicted prisoners? Why to pronounce respites with putting to the test if they know pertinemment that no monitoring will be set up, for lack of social workers (that advisers of insertion and of probation) are called? When you are announced that no file of respite with putting to the test is followed more than two years, for lack of means, why to pronounce EMS of for three years, or even more in case of repetition? However, the legislator, undoubtedly rightly, envisaged well that for the recidivists, coherent one that can go until 7 years was possible. Legally, it is sure. Materially, it is a soft joke. Some people would speak about law of pure announcement.
And I even do not speak to you about these judges of education who accept a very polished mail of the manager of the judicial protection of youth which announces them that legal restrictions of the babies Kevin and Dylan will not be followed for lack of teachers (ah, well if, I speak to you about it Perhaps because it personally arrived at me).
The absence of means concerning the execution of troubles often pushes the judges to decisions mostly in interest of the answerable, that is towards a reduction of the strictness. This being the case, easiness can also want that a firm trouble is pronounced. He will always have room there in detention. At least with a mattress on the soil (to every members of the OIP who would read me, it is naturally about irony)
near a third of the troubles of firm imprisonment was never brought back to execution, for lack of means. Dices during easily not enough impact of these decisions on the condemned persons are imagined
Is this so hard to unite in the same room:
the committee of laws
the committee of finances
the minister de la Justice
the Minister of Finance
the Prime minister
?
So that this high society Takes some paper, a fountain pen, and an adding machine?
to write what it is necessary to make, why, how, with which means (cf efficient method to legislate)
to calculate the cost of expenses to procreate
so that Justice could do its job
seb 18 seven 2009 Answer
Thank you Louis Cypher for your reflexion. I defended amendment 53 on Thursday afternoon, which consists precisely in setting up a bigger separation between the defendants and the convicted prisoners. I was very pleased due to the fact that the number of the defendants in prisons had passed from 31,6 % in 2007 to 25,6 % currently. It is very obvious that firmness that I defended in this debate applies to the convicted prisoners and not to the defendants. Moreover, if I do not wish a too quick widening of the convicted prisoners in more than a year, I offer on the other hand the systematisation of TIG for condemnations of less than 6 months, that is to say 60 % current fluxes of condemnations.
Never let us forget him: if the death penalty disappeared for the culprits, it still exists for the victims.
Thibault Loosveld 21 seven 2009 Answer
I would like to know if the etablissement penitenti can make make to prisoners of jobs utilit e puplique
gnohohi keke thomas 15 f v on 2010 Answer
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